According to data collected by USA Today on the finances of NCAA athletic departments, Kansas State University ranked #49 in athletic department revenue for the 2015-16 fiscal year at $77.9 Million. Out of P5 schools KSU ranked 48th out of 52 P5 schools (data was unavailable for several non state funded schools). I decided to compare KSU to the four Power 5 schools above us and below us on their athletic performance in the two major sports over the last 10 years to see how we measure up.
Peers:
#43) California - $81.7 Million
#44) NC State - $80.2 Million
#47) Purdue - $78.7 Million
#48) Iowa St - $78.4 Million
#49) Kansas St - $77.9 Million
#50) Colorado - $77.3 Million
#51) Georgia Tech - $76.4 Million
#52) Oregon St - $72.7 Million
#55) Washington St - $58.7 Million
(#45,#46, 53, 54, 55 excluded for not being P5 during all of previous 10 years)
BASKETBALL
Final Four Appearances:
None of the 9 schools made a Final Four
Elite Eights:
KSU - 1
None of the other 8 schools made an Elite Eight
Sweet 16 Appearances:
Purdue - 3
NC St - 2
ISU - 2
KSU - 1
Wash St - 1
None of the other 4 schools made a Sweet 16
NCAA Tournament Appearances:
Purdue - 8
KSU - 7
ISU - 6
Cal - 5
NC St - 4
Colorado - 4
Georgia Tech - 1
Oregon St - 1
Wash St - 1
Seasons Finished in the AP Top 25
Purdue - 6
ISU - 4
KSU - 3
Cal - 1
Wash St - 1
None of the other 4 have finished in the the Top 25 in the last 10 years
Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Iowa St - 2
Purdue - 1
KSU - 1
None of the other 6 have finished in the Top 10 in the last 10 years
10 year Average of EOY Sagain Rankings
Purdue - 30.4
KSU - 37.4
Cal - 50.0
ISU - 50.5
NC St - 64.5
Colorado - 87.5
Ga Tech - 90.0
Wash St - 111.2
Oregon St - 134.0
My Opinion of Overall Basketball Performance in Past 10 Years
#1) Purdue
#2) Kansas St.
#3) Iowa St.
#4) NC St.
#5) California
#6) Colorado
#7) Ga Tech
#8) Wash St.
#9) Oregon St.
FOOTBALL
Major Bowl Appearances:
Georgia Tech - 2
Kansas St - 1 (Also made Cotton but it was not BCS at the time)
None of the other 7 made a Major Bowl
Bowl Appearances:
Georgia Tech - 8
Kansas St - 8
NC St - 8
Cal - 4
ISU - 4
Or St - 4
Wash St - 4
Purdue - 3
Colorado - 1
Seasons finished in the AP Top 25
Georgia Tech - 3
Kansas St - 3
NC St - 2
Wash St - 2
Colorado - 1
Other four never finished a season in the Top 25
Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Georgia Tech - 1
Other nine never finished a season in the Top 10
10 year Average of EOY Sagarin Rankings:
Kansas St - 37.3
Ga Tech - 38.8
NC St - 52.5
Cal - 53.2
Ore St - 60.0
ISU - 68.3
Wash St - 76.6
Colorado - 85.2
Purdue - 90.8
My Opinion of Overall Football Performance in the Past 10 Years
#1) Georgia Tech
#2) Kansas St
#3) NC State
#4) Washington St.
#5) California
#6) Oregon St.
#7) Iowa St.
#8) Colorado
#9) Purdue
COMBINED
Major Postseason (Major Bowl/Sweet 16)
Purdue - 3
KSU - 2
NC St - 2
ISU - 2
Ga Tech - 2
Wash St - 1
Other three did not have any Major Postseason Appearances
NCAA & Bowl Appearances
Kansas St - 15
NC State - 12
Purdue - 11
ISU - 10
Cal - 9
Ga Tech - 9
Colorado - 5
Oregon St - 5
Wash St - 5
Combined Seasons finished in the AP Top 25
Kansas St - 6
Purdue - 6
Iowa St - 4
Ga Tech - 3
NC St - 2
Ore St - 2
Cal - 1
Colo - 1
Wash St - 1
Combined Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Iowa St - 2
KSU - 1
Purdue - 1
Ga Tech - 1
The other five did not finish in the Top 10 in either sport
10 year EOY Sagarin Average for both sports:
Kansas St - 37.4
California - 51.6
NC State - 58.5
Iowa St - 59.4
Purdue - 60.6
Ga Tech - 64.4
Wash St - 93.9
Ore St - 97.0
My opinion of Overall Performance in football and basketball in past 10 years:
1) Kansas St
2) NC St
3) Iowa St
4) Purdue
5) California
6) Ga Tech
7) Wash St
8) Ore St
Commentary
Compared to schools with budgetary restraints similar to our own I think we have performed pretty darn well over the past 10 years. I think we have had the most overall success of any of these 9 programs.
What do you think?
Is this not the right peer group?
Are budgets not a considerable restraint to success?
Are schools in this area better off focusing on one sport or trying to succeed in both?
Peers:
#43) California - $81.7 Million
#44) NC State - $80.2 Million
#47) Purdue - $78.7 Million
#48) Iowa St - $78.4 Million
#49) Kansas St - $77.9 Million
#50) Colorado - $77.3 Million
#51) Georgia Tech - $76.4 Million
#52) Oregon St - $72.7 Million
#55) Washington St - $58.7 Million
(#45,#46, 53, 54, 55 excluded for not being P5 during all of previous 10 years)
BASKETBALL
Final Four Appearances:
None of the 9 schools made a Final Four
Elite Eights:
KSU - 1
None of the other 8 schools made an Elite Eight
Sweet 16 Appearances:
Purdue - 3
NC St - 2
ISU - 2
KSU - 1
Wash St - 1
None of the other 4 schools made a Sweet 16
NCAA Tournament Appearances:
Purdue - 8
KSU - 7
ISU - 6
Cal - 5
NC St - 4
Colorado - 4
Georgia Tech - 1
Oregon St - 1
Wash St - 1
Seasons Finished in the AP Top 25
Purdue - 6
ISU - 4
KSU - 3
Cal - 1
Wash St - 1
None of the other 4 have finished in the the Top 25 in the last 10 years
Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Iowa St - 2
Purdue - 1
KSU - 1
None of the other 6 have finished in the Top 10 in the last 10 years
10 year Average of EOY Sagain Rankings
Purdue - 30.4
KSU - 37.4
Cal - 50.0
ISU - 50.5
NC St - 64.5
Colorado - 87.5
Ga Tech - 90.0
Wash St - 111.2
Oregon St - 134.0
My Opinion of Overall Basketball Performance in Past 10 Years
#1) Purdue
#2) Kansas St.
#3) Iowa St.
#4) NC St.
#5) California
#6) Colorado
#7) Ga Tech
#8) Wash St.
#9) Oregon St.
FOOTBALL
Major Bowl Appearances:
Georgia Tech - 2
Kansas St - 1 (Also made Cotton but it was not BCS at the time)
None of the other 7 made a Major Bowl
Bowl Appearances:
Georgia Tech - 8
Kansas St - 8
NC St - 8
Cal - 4
ISU - 4
Or St - 4
Wash St - 4
Purdue - 3
Colorado - 1
Seasons finished in the AP Top 25
Georgia Tech - 3
Kansas St - 3
NC St - 2
Wash St - 2
Colorado - 1
Other four never finished a season in the Top 25
Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Georgia Tech - 1
Other nine never finished a season in the Top 10
10 year Average of EOY Sagarin Rankings:
Kansas St - 37.3
Ga Tech - 38.8
NC St - 52.5
Cal - 53.2
Ore St - 60.0
ISU - 68.3
Wash St - 76.6
Colorado - 85.2
Purdue - 90.8
My Opinion of Overall Football Performance in the Past 10 Years
#1) Georgia Tech
#2) Kansas St
#3) NC State
#4) Washington St.
#5) California
#6) Oregon St.
#7) Iowa St.
#8) Colorado
#9) Purdue
COMBINED
Major Postseason (Major Bowl/Sweet 16)
Purdue - 3
KSU - 2
NC St - 2
ISU - 2
Ga Tech - 2
Wash St - 1
Other three did not have any Major Postseason Appearances
NCAA & Bowl Appearances
Kansas St - 15
NC State - 12
Purdue - 11
ISU - 10
Cal - 9
Ga Tech - 9
Colorado - 5
Oregon St - 5
Wash St - 5
Combined Seasons finished in the AP Top 25
Kansas St - 6
Purdue - 6
Iowa St - 4
Ga Tech - 3
NC St - 2
Ore St - 2
Cal - 1
Colo - 1
Wash St - 1
Combined Seasons finished in the AP Top 10
Iowa St - 2
KSU - 1
Purdue - 1
Ga Tech - 1
The other five did not finish in the Top 10 in either sport
10 year EOY Sagarin Average for both sports:
Kansas St - 37.4
California - 51.6
NC State - 58.5
Iowa St - 59.4
Purdue - 60.6
Ga Tech - 64.4
Wash St - 93.9
Ore St - 97.0
My opinion of Overall Performance in football and basketball in past 10 years:
1) Kansas St
2) NC St
3) Iowa St
4) Purdue
5) California
6) Ga Tech
7) Wash St
8) Ore St
Commentary
Compared to schools with budgetary restraints similar to our own I think we have performed pretty darn well over the past 10 years. I think we have had the most overall success of any of these 9 programs.
What do you think?
Is this not the right peer group?
Are budgets not a considerable restraint to success?
Are schools in this area better off focusing on one sport or trying to succeed in both?
