It's hate of mediocrity. It's even a deeper loathing of people that matter being ok with Mediocrity!!! Arghhh.. Does any entity that wants to succeed set their goals to be competitive? It just feels like they are delighted to be "competitive " and finish in the top half and notch an upset win once in a while, make the bubble each year .. Puke. We ARE NOT a true basketball school...maybe when Hartman was here..But not now, A true basketball school would never be ok with Luke warm fans and a mediocre record. I'm sick that there is even this much debate about it. Guaran damn tee you Bill Snyder or Jack Hartman for that matter never set his sights 4th place.. 4 generations of KSU in my family and this makes me sad. Go ahead call me old timer, i am.. i just wanted more for our school. I need blood pressure meds now